YOU EITHER GET IT OR YOU DONT

I have a very biased outlook on this!!!

Firstly, although the Government have said they will give £2000 for these vehicles, they actually only give £1000.  The other £1000 is split between dealer and Manufacturer. All this does is erode the profits of the companies and manufacturers that the scheme was designed to help....Please remember the scrappage scheme was designed to get people buying cars and stop the motor industry from going bankrupt.

Secondly, the day the car is P/X at the garage it becomes designated scrap and though has a valid MOT, Tax and insurance is classed as Hazadous waste.  The vehicle can only be stored in designated areas and has to be certified as it is hazadous. The vehicle can no longer be driven on the road as it is hazadous and any one putting it on a transporter or trailer needs to have the relevant licence to carry the waste and must produce the dealer a certificate of distruction and certificate of de pollution. The dealer has to file these and can/will be audited by the Government up to 10 yrs after the scheme finishes. Fines are to be in excess of £100k for non conformity for failing an audit.

Thirdly, any car not worth more than £2000 at 10yrs old is not likely to be a rare classic car in another 10 yrs.  I have so far scrapped a frontera, metro, daihatsu fourtrak, peugeot 205 diesel etc lots more but none are future classics!!

- bolotics, eh?

Scrappage Scheme -  is it worth the money being pumped into it I ask?


- the number of new cars sold in the UK in August was 67,006, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders state - hmmmmmm -

AND  total sales since the start of 2009 are still 21.5% lower than the same period last year - more hmmmmmmmmmm -

factoid: car production for the year to the end of July was down 45.8% at 518,375

- be better to give the money direct to those poor MG workers if you ask me...........

Since the scheme started between 6 franchises we have only sold 106 scrappage deals.

The government have to date earned over £100,000 in VAT alone on the cars sold on scrappage. This more than makes up for any money the Government have paid out. Leaving other countries out of the equation as they dont reflect us. The scheme has sold us more cars and has kept UK factories open, although not at full production.

My argument is that the government said they would give £2k per vehicle. They only give £1k. The government get there £1k back + profit through VAT. The Trade get to sell more vehicles but at a much reduced price and there fore dont make the profit needed to stay trading.

Having worked for MG Rover during the closure I have got to say that alot of what happened was down to poor management. Yes the Government should have stepped in, but only to advise Pheonix not to try and deal with the Chinese. The decisions made were based on the chinese buying and they never had any intention of closing the deal. The problem with Rover really was that they never got out of the flat cap, brown coat and union days of the '70's and it killed them.

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Thirdly, any car not worth more than £2000 at 10yrs old is not likely to be a rare classic car in another 10 yrs.  I have so far scrapped a frontera, metro, daihatsu fourtrak, peugeot 205 diesel etc lots more but none are future classics!!

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 My friend (and yes I do have them) is pleased as punch, she's getting rid of her 15 year Chavlier on scrappage. Not sure of her choice of car mind you. Fiat Panda. But if it makes her happy. The Chavy is passed it sell by date and as Si says falls into the caterogy of "not a future classic".

My dear mother suggested we got for a scrappage deal on our Volvo, I'm sure you can imagine Snipers reply................

I have a better idea lets scrap the government and we can start with that scottish prick at number 10.

That is just stupid and lazy. Early shape minis are in fashion at the moment and are commanding decent money if MOT'd.

Remember this idea is a european idea that has been used before.....the only problem again with europe is that they dont have a classic car scene.....It was a scrappage scheme in Italy a few years ago that took all the Fiat 126, 127 and original 500's off the road. To us they were collecters cars but in italy they were just daily cars handed down through the family.

So wait let me see if im reading this right if im sitting at the traffic lights and a drunk prius driver smashes at 40mph in a 30 zone in to the back of my truck im at fault-sorry whats ****s put a cross next to the labour name on their voting form?

i was reading classic ford the other day and there was an example of good cars going to scrap a mint mk3 4door escort.
now under european law cars cannot be scrapped now thay are to be recycled!
which means they are to be dismantaled (parts can be sold to car owners as spare as this is recycling) and disposed of in the most eco way possible way.
now im infomed by a few recycling yards that cars under the scrappage scheme are to be crushed.
surely this breaks their own bloody laws???
but i may be wrong....

Its not called a recycle scheme it is called a scrappage scheme!!!!!

The EU does not want old cars on the road full stop. When they talk of recyling they are not talking about using old parts on old cars. They are talking about melting down lots of old bumpers and re moulding them for new cars.

The EU idea is that cars have a shelf life of 5 to 7 years after which the car is melted down and turned into a new car. That we have a few government backed dismantlers and no scrap yards and no rotting cars in fields etc.

I've personaly delivered 365 cars to scrap yard as of today.
The only classics or slightly intresting cars have been
A Triumph Spitfire in average condition
A Mini in perfect condition 76k fully documented miles
and a sh""ty MGF
all thr rest are average condition Ka's
corsas Micras etc Some have been perfect condition
sadly depriving people of a good second car or runaround
for wife and kids etc.
Here at Hyundai there is rumour they will continue
after the scheme finishes with a similar promotion,
so it looks like it's only going to continue to see the wrong
cars being taken off the road.